Red on "module" and other portions of Z7...

[DiddleEgg5]

bowbuilder wrote:

Quote: Are you going to be waving your bow around at the turkey? It doesn't have that much red on the bow. You can change the dampners to black and the little bit of red on the cam isn't going to create a dangerous situation. Have you ever hunted in a heavily hunted public hunting area? That is the majority of my hunting, and I don't want ANY red on me when I do. Another question...Will having the red portion of your cam recolored to a dark color, with a pen or through anodization as some have suggested, void your warrenty??

Stripping the cam and re-anodizing it will void your warranty. Should you decide to just use a marker and darken it up, I guess that is up to you.
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[spiaailtli]

I think it is the black bow craze. All the super tuned bows dressed to kill are blacked out with neon green or red. They look very sharp to me on a black bow. On a camo bow they look a bit out of place. Maybe no one is buying camo any more.

If I was going to complain about the looks of the Z it would be the wide
(or deep) riser web. Mathews is known for sexy bows and the proportions are off a little on that one. It's like anything new, I'll get use to it in time.

[calhoun]

Everyones either happy or disappointed with the new bows every year. I dont mind hearing about either. I would buy (and have till I learned my lesson) a new Mathews every year if it was what I want. The last two years have not yielded anything for me to take seriously but there is always next year As for you not liking the red all I know to tell you is get over it or deal with it because complaining about it on here will get you absolutley nowhere.
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[Dcgadams]

I agree and have cast my vote against the red. I think the riser looks stupid and the red makes it even more goofy. Sorry I have been shooting mathews for years. Full camo is my choice. I think the fella should not be bashed for what he has to say. Guys this is a poll about the color. An all camo version should be avaliable and would not take a lot to make. It is about the consumer and from the poll more want the red gone then like it so that should say something.
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[Big B]

Im not real crazy about the red myself. I dont think it goes well with the camo. On the all black it would look good.


The thing i didn't like about the bow is the small "picture" or sticker next to the roller gaurd. To me it just starts to make the bow look cheap. I hated Martin bows for years because of this (when they put the pictures of tigers and such on the bow).

[Woodford1]

I don't normally take a position like this in our forum, but I think we are being a little hard on the author of this post for expressing his views. I dont' think it is unreasonable for him to share his opinion on this. Mathews has always responded well to customer input on this forum (slimmer grips, etc) so why is his input on the bow trim color so out of bounds?

I don't care for the red either, but not because I think it would scare game or be dangerous in the woods. I just don't care for the look. I would be much more interested in a Z7 if they would offer a version without it.
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[evers12]

Deer can'T see in the red range anyway....that's why my fletchings are red and white. All matches my set up perfectly.
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[Jeeper]

Like a few of you, I don't understand why so many have jumped all over this man for asking a simple question. Geeez....you'd think he just insulted your President (oh, wait, that would be okay .)

However, I do recognize that bowbuilder's use of BOLD CAPS does make the post a little more aggressive and negative in tone which might account for much of the negative feedback.
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[bow4life]

JAVI wrote:

But from where you is hunting I reckon the woods is alive with gun fire, what with folks shooting every red leaf and berry in the bushes...

Not too far fetched around here. A lot of gun hunters shoot at noises in these parts, assuming that only deer make noise in the woods.


Personally, red is probably my least favorite color but I' not going to pass on a bow because of a little thing like that. It's a bow not a showpiece.
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[BuckChef]

I think it's OK not to like it, or even Hate it, thats fine.
On the same token, if ya dont like it....dont buy it thats OK too.

In my restaurant, I offer a Delmonico, Filet, NY Strip, and Veal Chop.
If ya want a Porterhouse.....heck, go somewhere else and get it. Thats OK.
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[CHAS]

i'm reading between the line here and i could be wrong but i think you just do not like the red on the bow...safety is really not the issue at all. if you follow the logic you put forth then there should not be a bow with brown (deer, turkey) or green (foliage) or gray (squirrel) or anything in between on a bow. again, i could be way off base here but i think you just do not like the red highlights on this bow. i think i see a reezen in your future.
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[Rem270]

This is just me but i don't like the red. did it stop me from buying a new bow this year? ya a little but im very happy with the last 3 mathews bows and i'm sure me not buying one is going to hurt them

[dts]

Why not offer a black option? Color options are offered for everything else.
Seems pretty silly to me not to offer an option. The original poster doesn't need to offer any justification beyond "I don't really like the red." Yet, he may love the bow otherwise.
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[wishbone]

JAVI wrote:

I take hunter safety very seriously, but some of you young fellows get all too hetup about this camo thingy.. believe it or not... and it can be proven... we did kill animals before RealTree and Mossy Oak... and we did it wearing red flannel, and khaki with lacquered limbs and risers on 64” plus bows.. I fondled me one of them new Z7's and I actually had to look to see all this RED y'all is talking about... But from where you is hunting I reckon the woods is alive with gun fire, what with folks shooting every red leaf and berry in the bushes...

Mel Johnson prefered red also..

http://www.prairiestateoutdoors.com/index.php?/pso/article/johnson_buck_remains_archery_record/

[JAVI]

bow4life wrote:

JAVI wrote: But from where you is hunting I reckon the woods is alive with gun fire, what with folks shooting every red leaf and berry in the bushes... Not too far fetched around here. A lot of gun hunters shoot at noises in these parts, assuming that only deer make noise in the woods. Personally, red is probably my least favorite color but I' not going to pass on a bow because of a little thing like that. It's a bow not a showpiece.

Then I reckon I'd be finding me some blaze orange or staying out of them woods, but then again I wouldn't be a'worrying 'bout no little bit of red on my bow.
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[XxHolleyxX]

I like the red on the bows. But no one should ever wear anything red in the turkey woods. Do a google search for turkey, safety, red, and you will get a ton of hits about the dangers of doing so. It's hunter safety basics from the NRA, WTF, and almost every state in the country. That being said...I would change out what i could and sharpie the rest.

[Morph]

Not gonna take sides here, but for those of you that think it is ridiculous to think having "red' on you (smaller than a plaid jacket) doesn't matter....

"A 64 year old Garrett County turkey hunter was shot by another turkey hunter 130 feet away when the victim's red hands were mistaken for a turkey. Victim received shotgun pellets to leg and groin. Non-fatal."
.......from this website..... http://www.dnr.state.md.us/nrp/2021huntingaccidents.html

Not every hunter is as safe as you.

The human gene pool is very complicated!

[cai]

I agree. I don't like the red either.
I am considering getting a z7, but the red will have to go. The rubber in the riser dampners should be easy. the rest may have to be powder coated or something.
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[hw203600]

I bought a DXT two years ago, this year a Monster and will pick up a Z7.....Colors don't bug me.....its how it shoots is all I care about.........
I have seen the Z7, and it looks pretty nice, didn't get to shoot it because not a LH one at my shop....
As I creep in on 42, I really am wanting the smoothest drawing bow around...
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[CHIEF]

I'm going to sit on the fence with this one guys. But i have something to say. Hes stating his opinion which is good for all of us. we all might not agree with this. But, it keeps us thinking. Lets all agree on one thing we are here because well love this great sport of ours. And love taking our Mathews bow along for the ride. No matter what color it is (lost camo,purple,pink,black blue, or yellow). No one is right or wrong on this topic it all a matter of choice. God Bless America.

("Next time your out on your daily routine, and see a solider shake his/her hand and say thank you for giving me a CHOICE on how i live my life")
Thanks for hearing me rant

[mdbowman]

BuckChef wrote:

I think it's OK not to like it, or even Hate it, thats fine. On the same token, if ya dont like it....dont buy it thats OK too. In my restaurant, I offer a Delmonico, Filet, NY Strip, and Veal Chop. If ya want a Porterhouse.....heck, go somewhere else and get it. Thats OK.

Yup

Mathews essentially invited you over for Delmonico. You walked in the door, stood up on their couch, and yelled for Porterhouse.

I see a few posts down you recognize it was your tone and not neccessarily your message that people got upset over. That being said, I'd prefer it to be black or camo. Oh, and Porterhouse is probably my favorite steak but I'll eat just about any steak if it's prepared right.

[sticks]

bowbuilder wrote:

mdbowman wrote: Camo duct tape. Black Magic Marker. Dont buy the bow. Buy it and deal with it. Them's your choices as I see it. Whatever happened to "Customer Satisfaction", "Customer Service", and "The Customer is Always Right". I don't think I am asking for anything unreasonable here.

The first two Mathews provides hands down probably the best of any manufacturer out there. The Customer is Always Right is a load of bull.
Whoever started that phrase probably never dealt with a customer in their life and 99% of the time the customer is WRONG. My guess is there was market research put into the "red" and it was positive otherwise Matt wouldn't have done it.
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[spiaailtli]

You're spose ta buy the Z for deer hunting and a black DXT for hunting turkeys in the blind. Didn't you get the memo?

[bowbuilder]

Yes, my tone was not appropriate, and distracted from the issue I was trying to raise.

I do think the Z7 is a great bow. And I think the red on a black riser wold make a fine looking target bow. I am also happy that some people like the red on the camo version.

But, I am not happy about the red on a hunting bow for three reasons...

(1) I don't like the way it looks.
(2) It defeats the purpose of having a camo bow.
(3) I do believe it could be a safety issue.

I was hoping to be constructive and provide some sort of feedback to Mathews of a way to improve their product and benefit the entire Mathews consumer family. I regret that my original tone distracted from that, but I do feel that the thread has begun to move in a more constructive direction.

Mathews already offers Custom colored rubber stuff...why not just add black rubber stuff to their custom line and black/grey (whatever color you wat to call it) anodized metal parts (cam piece and roller wheel) to the custom center so that those of us that want a bow without the decoration can have it, without possibly voiding our warrenty through home-made alterations. I would be willing to pay for that, as long as the prices were reasonable, or just make a hunter version of the Z7.

[thunderchicken21]

bowbuilder wrote:

Yes, my tone was not appropriate, and distracted from the issue I was trying to raise. I do think the Z7 is a great bow. And I think the red on a black riser wold make a fine looking target bow. I am also happy that some people like the red on the camo version. But, I am not happy about the red on a hunting bow for three reasons... (1) I don't like the way it looks. (2) It defeats the purpose of having a camo bow. (3) I do believe it could be a safety issue. I was hoping to be constructive and provide some sort of feedback to Mathews of a way to improve their product and benefit the entire Mathews consumer family. I regret that my original tone distracted from that, but I do feel that the thread has begun to move in a more constructive direction. Mathews already offers Custom colored rubber stuff...why not just add black rubber stuff to their custom line and black/grey (whatever color you wat to call it) anodized metal parts (cam piece and roller wheel) to the custom center so that those of us that want a bow without the decoration can have it, without possibly voiding our warrenty through home-made alterations. I would be willing to pay for that, as long as the prices were reasonable, or just make a hunter version of the Z7.

The way I understand it, the Z7 does come with a set of black dampening stuff as well as the red (so you can use whatever you like). The only red that would be left on the bow would be the cam piece, roller (on the roller guard), and the tip of the quick change axle. Which will take up less surface area than what most people's vanes will show
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